This Is Not a Sleep Podcast (But Maybe It Is)

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[00:00:25] Hi and welcome to Fall Asleep with Henrik. I'm Henrik and you're sleepy and, well, it is what it is. What happens happens and right now there's nothing we can do about most things. So with that said, let's go.

[00:00:51] Hi Sleepy and welcome to my humble abode. I'm Henrik and as you can tell from my accent, I am not your average Englishman.

[00:01:23] I'm Swedish and I do this as a tryout. The goal here is to put you to sleep, not in a vulgar, macabre way, but still. Yeah, hopefully efficiently.

[00:01:43] But there's no guarantee. Maybe this will not work for you. Maybe this will just be another type of content that you're being exposed to and let's go into the everlasting flow of content that's constantly pouring over you.

[00:02:07] The thing is, dare I say, that puts me aside from other types of content in this river of content in the world is the fact that I am, well, first of all, I'm in over my head in this.

[00:02:30] I don't know what I'm in this. I don't know what I'm in this. I don't know what I'm doing.

[00:03:00] Different group because most people tend to at least pretend to know what they're doing. I'm not. I'm actually kind of scared doing this. I feel kind of vulnerable putting myself out there. And that's, yeah, kind of scary.

[00:03:28] I'm, second of all, I, I won't try to hypnotize you or calm you down like on purpose. I will use this tone, this voice throughout the entire hour, but I'm, I'm not going to talk about, well, I might talk about calming things, but that's entirely up to you.

[00:03:57] I am not making an effort to talk about especially calming things. Like, I'm not going to try to make you relax because I know that you can't and that's why you listen to this. That's why you're in desperation. Try this, trying out this thing.

[00:04:19] So I think that I'm a bit of an acquired taste. I think that you might need to listen to one or two episodes, maybe three episodes before you get to know me a bit, I guess. Because that's really the only thing that I'm going to try really hard throughout this series. And that is for you to get to know me.

[00:04:42] I'm going to tell stories. I'm going to create fake interviews with myself as the interviewer and the interviewed. And I am going to talk about myself and my own life. And I'm not going to prepare anything beforehand. I'm not preparing in advance anything I'm talking about. I am just here talking.

[00:05:06] And my hope is that you can see me as this friend, you know, that stays over at your place and just talks and hopefully either entertains you or bore you or somewhere in between. Like a friend, like a friend, like a normal friend does, you know.

[00:05:32] And yeah, I'm your friend, your weird little friend from Sweden. So this podcast is following my own long tradition of talking people to sleep. I guess I'm good at that. No, I don't know why I ended up like this. I've been doing this podcast in Sweden for seven years.

[00:06:00] And that's my work now. I put hundreds of thousands of people to sleep every week in Sweden and in Swedish. So this is my aim at an international audience. And that is why I'm kind of scared right now. I mean, I could be really made a fool of, you know.

[00:06:25] That happens to Swedes when we reach abroad with things other than music or furniture. We, or maybe, you know, in the business world, it's a plus. I don't know. But whenever creating content like this with our broken English, we get, we tend to get laughed at.

[00:06:51] Or best case scenario, it doesn't really work. You know, people just, yeah, well, you know, but he doesn't really speak like the rest of us. At least that is the view from the Swede point of view, the Sweden point of view.

[00:07:11] Everyone I know here that is in a position of, you know, giving me podcast advice has told me to give up this idea because it doesn't work. And that really gives me, well, it's an itch, you know, itch, it's an itch beneath my skin.

[00:07:36] I can't really stand when people tell me that stuff is impossible because it hasn't worked for other people in the past. We have like a few famous podcast people here in Sweden that has tried to do stuff in English. And yeah, well, it hasn't worked out. So why should it work for me?

[00:08:01] First of all, I don't think that, you know, since no one is asking anything of me at this point, I don't have anything to lose. The other people doing this in English from the Swedes doing this in English. They are either like borrowing money for huge amounts of PR or they have expectations from, you know, financiers and stuff.

[00:08:30] I don't have either. No one believes in this. So, well, a few of my friends believe in this and I believe in this. I believe that by getting to know me, and I'm sorry if this comes off as me boasting, you know, I'm not trying to impress you or anything because I know I'm just this dude.

[00:08:56] I know you may be thinking, why should I just put my trust in this person? I don't know. But I know it's working in Sweden and I am really a nobody. So why don't give this a try?

[00:09:20] You know, my aim is to just talk like this without any preparation and without any true decisions or goals or ambitions behind it more than to reach out to you. I want to reach out to you. And if you want, you know, you can reach out to me. You can follow me on any social media really. And you can write to me.

[00:09:52] You can find all necessary links below. I mean, not below my voice because that's impossible. So far it's impossible to be sublime in that matter. And I'm trying to avoid to drop like web page addresses, you know, domains and stuff because it's so boring to say them.

[00:10:18] www.idontreallygiveafreakingfruit.com So if you want to reach me, you can reach me. My name is Henrik Stål. And that's one of these strange Scandinavian letters. Well, it's not a Scandinavian letter, but we use it frequently in Scandinavia. It's an A but with a ring above.

[00:10:48] It's called O. Stål. S-T-O-H-L. And okay, so if this totally turns you off, that's fine, you know. It's, I'm just this dude and I don't know what I'm doing. And I'm going to talk like this for an hour. So just lay back and relax and feel free to just zone out, you know.

[00:11:17] Zone out. It's okay, you know. You don't have to listen to what I say. You don't have to. I don't really ask anything of you. Because you're done for the day. This is your vacation. Isn't it weird that we think of vacation as this holy thing?

[00:11:44] At least in Sweden, we tend to look at vacation as this holy grail. And most of us, and I mean like most of us, but far from all, have, yeah, a few weeks vacation every year.

[00:12:05] And we tend to see it as this holy period of time broken up or in a continuum. And during that time, I don't know where in the world you are listening to this, but it's, I mean, I know that vacation isn't the same everywhere.

[00:12:31] And not all countries have this very generous vacation system that we have in Sweden. But it's, nevertheless, whenever you're free, you are free. I dare to say, you don't want to be disturbed. You don't want to be messed with. You tend to think of it as this holy period, you know, that is important to you.

[00:12:59] And the funny thing about sleep is that that should really be such a period for us, you know. We should really think about sleep or rest or whatever as this big chunk of importantness for each and every one of us. For ourselves in a very personal way. But somehow sleep has avoided that headline, you know, that umbrella.

[00:13:30] Sleep is this, you know, unwanted child in a way. Yeah, I need to sleep too. Damn, I need to sleep. I am sleep deprived. I need sleep, but I don't have time or I don't have peace of mind. I don't have the energy to sleep.

[00:13:58] I'm so tired, but I really don't have time to sleep. Or rather, I'm not done with the day. Isn't that the thing? I'm not done with the day. I need to have some me time or whatever.

[00:14:18] And what if we could watch, what if we could see sleep as this vacation thing? You know, this is important. And I'm not trying to lecture you because I know that that generally doesn't work. And I don't have any platform or point of view to lecture from.

[00:14:48] I'm no expert in sleep. And I tend to sleep in periods of time really bad. And for me, it's mostly worrisome thoughts that I can't control. And I try, you know, I try to accept them. I try to look at them and not judge them. And I try to let them be there in their own way and in their own manner.

[00:15:17] I try to ask them, what do you want? What do you want to do with me? What do you want from me? But often when it's hard, it's hard. And if it would be easy, it wouldn't be hard. So it's pointless to say that things should be easy when they're not. Because if they were, then they were, you know.

[00:15:47] That's such a stupid way of looking at the world, I think. And that's one of the reasons why I'm not going to proclaim, you know, having any expertise in any matter whatsoever, even if I happen to have for some reason at some point. Because I really think that if it would be easy, if it were easy for you to sleep at this very particular point,

[00:16:19] then you would, right? It would be easy for you. So that sort of level of discussion that this really is easy, well, apparently not, you know. So that's a pointless discussion. Why are we even talking about that? So sleeping is hard for a million reasons. And that's not going to go away.

[00:16:48] You can't just snap your fingers and then all the worries of the world will just disappear, evaporate into thin air. That won't happen. So, well, I'm not sure what I'm talking about here. But what if we could see sleep as this very important period of time

[00:17:14] that we're going to try and do the best we can with, trying to enjoy it, you know. So the same as we do with our free time. Okay, so now I'm free. I'm off work. I'm off duty. I can just do whatever I want for a very limited period of time.

[00:17:38] Isn't that really cool that regardless of our predispositions, sorry, predisposition, I don't know what that is. Our predispositions, regardless of our whereabouts and howabouts,

[00:18:02] we have been equipped with this thing called sleep or ability to sleep. And sometimes, as with vacations, it's hard to get the most out of them. Sometimes the whole vacation just rains away, you know.

[00:18:25] As with sleep, I have these hours ahead of me. And for some reason, for different reasons altogether, I'm not able to fall asleep. So it's the same as with vacation, really. So you just deal with it, you know. The thing with sleep is that everyone's talking about it,

[00:18:54] but we tend to talk about it as this sort of exotic, really new thing, you know, that we can get good, quote unquote, good at. But we can't. We can't get good at falling asleep. Or, I mean, we can, but that's a very personal thing. I mean, what is good sleep? And what is good falling asleep? What does that look like?

[00:19:26] I don't know if I'm good or bad at sleeping. I guess that's just up to, you know. Well, maybe a biologist could say that you are not good at sleeping for some, by some indicators. But it doesn't really work that way, does it? We just do this. It's the same as with, like, breathing.

[00:19:53] So, therefore, we can't talk about sleep in the same way that we talk about, for instance, exercise, you know. Because exercise is a thing that you can do, and it's good for you. But sleep is more of a you thing, isn't it? Sleep is you.

[00:20:18] So, headlines in terms of, like, get the best out of your sleep or maximize your sleep or whatever, I don't think very highly of them. Why? I mean, why would we even try to maximize things that truly is a natural thing to us? We don't need to maximize anything.

[00:20:46] We just need to do it, you know. And I think that this way of looking at sleep is helpful. At least it's helpful for me, because I'm far more relaxed about my sleep nowadays than before I started this podcast journey. So, if you're an old listener, an old sleepy,

[00:21:15] I tend to call the listener sleepy. And I tend to talk to the listener as one person. And I tend to, yeah, every now and again, I sort of start over because new listeners, new sleepies are entering the club. And I need to introduce myself and the podcast over and over again,

[00:21:45] in a way. And if you're an old sleepy, I'm sorry if you need to, if you find this kind of boring, well, that suits the case, I guess. Can I say, can one say, that suits the case? That's a suitcase. Can I say that? I don't know. Well, I can apparently, because I just did and no police rushed my premises, wrestling me to the floor, handcuffing me,

[00:22:13] telling me that I did something podcast forbidden. Yeah, I'm sorry. And I'm afraid I need to do this. Every now and again, since the podcast is growing internationally and people that doesn't know me or anything about me or this podcast or the concept, if there even is one, yeah, comes into play. So I need to do this every now and again.

[00:22:45] It would be cool if we had this group. Maybe I could start up some Discord group or Facebook group or whatever. There's this awesome Facebook group for the podcasts version. Version. Version. The variety that is this Swedish

[00:23:12] angle of my podcast universe is, has this great awesome Facebook group and I gather so much inspiration from there. This concept or whatever it is, this thing that I'm doing is nothing without its sleepies, without its listeners, without you, whoever you are, whomever you are.

[00:23:46] Yeah, so this is one of these episodes where I'm going to reintroduce myself and perhaps you, if you already know me, then you could just, yeah, you don't have to listen to this. I mean that. People often ask me if I'm hurt by the fact that most people just zone out, fall asleep and

[00:24:16] according to the emails and DMs that I get, the most common time to fall asleep is around half an hour into the episode. Generally speaking, of course, that can vary. some people don't fall asleep at all, they just listen whenever they need to be distracted or just mildly entertained and since this is an international aim, I gather, I imagine that

[00:24:46] there could be a million different use cases for this podcast. Pets fall asleep in Sweden generally together with their owners and babies, unborn babies sometimes with headphones pressed against the belly, the belly of the mother that is. That's so beautiful. I've gotten a few pictures, images sent to

[00:25:16] me from these types of situations and I couldn't like share them obviously because it's a very personal thing, you know, but it's such an honor, you know, to see this unborn person, I mean it's such an honor to see this unborn person without choosing it themselves obviously which, well,

[00:25:45] that might be a problem but I mean who does, who gets to choose anything really when you're an unborn child but it's cool to to see this little growing person listen to my voice I mean it's an unbelievable feeling really so it's beyond cool there have been some cases where people giving

[00:26:15] birth have listened to my podcast in Swedish just to get them through the process I don't know I haven't got any I haven't got any testimonies to whether or not that actually helped or made things worse I don't know could be that that was the greatest grandest mistakes of mistake of their life I don't the only

[00:26:44] testimonies I've gotten is a few of them telling me that they used my podcast during childbirth some of the grand testimonies is also having it as this crutch this light at the end of the tunnel during difficult periods of disease or illness and sometimes

[00:27:13] in hospices and yeah so as far as things you take serious goes I really take this quite serious although it's not for I mean it's not serious I take it very seriously I post all the time very I

[00:27:43] never I never yeah now it sounds like I'm boasting sorry I think that I what I wanted to say was that I really take this serious seriously in the beginning it was a gimmick it was a joke even well not a joke but a funny thing you know

[00:28:12] this is not my real occupation occupation my occupation is being an actor and most certainly doesn't make people fall asleep that's not my goal with my job for real I mean quite the opposite I was trying to keep people on their toes you know and it was it was okay I mean I

[00:28:42] I love my job but I don't do so much acting anymore in that traditional sense maybe you could consider this acting as well I don't know I don't know anymore I don't really know what I am anymore but in the beginning this was this thing that I planned to do in between roles and

[00:29:12] as it turned out there was this pandemic thing happening in the world I don't know if you heard about it it was this flu that really yeah morphed and became this monster that ravaged the world for two years at least and it as it turned out most of my gigs as an actor were cancelled one way or another and I had this

[00:29:41] one gig that I still did and that was at this Swedish television kids show and I was dressed as a dragon and that was kind of the lifeline I had the dragon suit was this very very heavy very tightly covered thing

[00:30:11] so I didn't there was no covid risk you know inside of the dragon there were peace that's a good episode title inside of the dragon there is peace so I could be there and just earn money because it wasn't a very fun job but and I felt like anyone could do this that may or may not be true but I

[00:30:40] felt that at the time so I I could afford to try this thing I'd been trying it for a few years back then I started this Swedish podcast journey in 2018 so yeah but I could afford to give this you know this experiment this gimmick

[00:31:10] a try and I expected to like earn 500 quids quid a month or something but I ended up having it my livelihood and in back in the day I used to be broke like every other month waiting for new gigs but now I have this real

[00:31:40] job I'm not saying that acting is not a real job it is but I have a real job that I can depend on that's what I meant so now I go to work every day talking to you in Swedish and English my name is Henrik Stål I'm an actor

[00:32:11] and I write things and more and more the older I get I tend to do everything myself I I'm managing my own universe and it's growing and I love this life but it's also lonely right now I feel kind of lonely I'm sitting on this cusp of

[00:32:40] my life being recently separated from my partner since 17 years back I am kind of in a very anonymous place I am waiting to go through this blue gate and right now there's not you know I don't really know whether or not I can go through this

[00:33:10] blue gate or if I need to choose another way and that's hard I think I am I'm kind of kind of I'm kind of sorry I'm kind of a lonely guy yeah maybe this is too personal for you

[00:33:40] I am kind of lonely and by that I don't mean to say that please save me from my loneliness or whatever I kind of like it you know I have my ex partner she's um wonderful person and we're still great friends she's my best friend and we have a daughter

[00:34:09] and she's amazing and we have this great life really but then there's this different dimension opening up in me going into this new part of my life as a 49 year old I am yeah I'm in a new territory so to speak well not so to speak in a literal

[00:34:39] sense I've moved you know I live at another location and that's well I would lie if I were to say that I'm not a little scared I'm I'm scared and I'm also sad yeah as you can imagine as you can gather from this may I remind you that you don't need to listen

[00:35:09] to it and you don't need to take me seriously and you don't need to be responsible in any way for what I'm saying you don't need to think anything particular that you feel forced to think about what I'm saying I could be anyone just rambling you know so it's not important but the thing that the reason that I keep it personal and try to be entertaining is that I

[00:35:39] think that people see through manipulative behavior you know in a way that if I were to talk to you about meadows and sheep and dreams and fluffy clouds then you would see through me you know because if you were all fluffy clouds and bees and flowers and fluffy sheep freaking out on the meadow

[00:36:10] sorry then you wouldn't listen to this podcast would you if you were all in a fluffy place you so yeah I'm 49 years old I turned 50 this year

[00:36:39] and I am not an old man I am a boy and I've been talking about this quite extensively in the episode of this podcast called Boy it's even been on a rerun at one point because that was by far my most popular episode

[00:37:09] so if you want to really deep dive into this boyhood thing you can listen to that episode I am yeah I always tear up when I talk about this because it's a very fragile aspect of me and talking about this with people is yeah I feel weak when I do

[00:37:39] it and I kind of like it I do I kind of like talking about myself in this risky way you know it's me putting myself out there you know it's my true emotion and I think that it has some value to it I wouldn't do it otherwise

[00:38:11] I think that we as a people we if I can talk about all of us as one people which one used to be able to do like in the 60s I was a thing you know at least in the western part of the world so if I were to be like this hippie hippie boy right now I would say like

[00:38:41] all of us we need to hear we need to tell each other of how we feel without rushing into emergency mode does that make any sense I need to tell you about me without rushing or having

[00:39:11] you rush into emergency mode mostly when we hear people's true emotion it's a matter of panic or very strong emotion like anger desperation maybe we could use a dose of all of us just reflecting on our true emotions without having the rest of the world the listeners

[00:39:40] the public having to react in a certain way you know I am not in need of any help I am not in comfort I am I am at I am a stable grown-up man and I

[00:40:10] love myself I love to live but I have dark spots and I guess so do you and we can just talk about that without having anyone yeah go into emergency mode because that's what life is isn't it you can never live pain-free

[00:40:37] you can never live without dark spots and I have them I have this very long relationship throughout my life with anxiety anguish generalized and also panic attacks and I have

[00:41:07] come to think about anxiety in a way that well this goes for me I'm not saying that this goes for all but I think of it as somewhat of an aspect of me that scares me that would if I weren't to be so afraid of it that it would be a gift it would be something I could use and I think that I am using it throughout my life in my different endeavors as a person and as a performer

[00:41:37] but it has made my life so much harder because I am afraid of it I am afraid of being afraid and I've been really afraid of dying and letting people down and getting dizzy and getting sick and being ugly

[00:42:07] and being wrong and yeah failing and here I am objectively right now at least failing from certain points of view that is I'm not saying I'm failing in

[00:42:37] any literal sense I'm just yeah I think I'm winning really I mean in my in a true sense I'm doing this because I want to and because I love it and because I believe in it so that's winning but from an objective standpoint this is failing because you know I'm not reaching any important KPIs as you say in the content world

[00:43:08] I'm not gathering this million people gathering that was by the way my aim for the first year of this podcast to gather one million listeners before the end of a year now that year has passed and I failed miserably but don't get me wrong I'm not sad or anything I knew that I was going to fail who am I kidding but it was cool to have a dream and it was cool to have a

[00:43:38] goal and I still have a goal I'm just not going to you know advertise it to the world like I did back in the day but yeah I am Henrik I am a boy I am I don't feel 50

[00:44:06] I don't know what 50 is supposed to feel like but it's not it I'm not I'm not this middle aged man I don't I mean don't get me wrong I know that I am I know I am but I don't feel it I don't feel 50

[00:44:37] I feel maybe no it's not appropriate to even put a number on it I'm just me the thing that makes me sad though is that I know that I am 50 soon to be 50 I know and I'm not saying that 50 is some sort of a bad age to be in or

[00:45:17] state of mind that is evaporating in a way like living is losing at the same time as you're winning stuff you know and so I feel eternal but I know I'm not I know I know that this thing that I am experiencing

[00:45:47] this thing that I'm living throughout the machine that is my body I know that there's a beginning and an end and that doesn't scare me anymore of course it's not a pleasant thought that things will end but I am I'm not scared of that anymore at least not right now in my life

[00:46:18] but I am sad that nothing is eternal that gives me a sense of sadness and I guess that is why I always tear up when I talk about myself as a boy because I know that for some people or from some points of view that is most certainly a lie you know I am not a boy I

[00:46:51] and it's delusional to think about myself as this boy Henrik but I am you know and I don't have any delusions of grandeur grandeur you know me being eternal and stuff because that's just an emotion I can't put it into any other word like

[00:47:22] eternal is something that I've always been Henrik and I will always be Henrik I can't see the world from any other machine I can try and I can visualize you know how it would be for me to be you but I can't ever experience it I talked with my daughter the other day about what a gift it would be like to for a period of

[00:47:52] time enter someone else's mind I mean for real and just be there you know experiencing what you're experiencing I mean for real not just you telling me what you're experiencing but for me to be really within your mind for a while experiencing your emotion and we came

[00:48:22] to the conclusion that that would probably be the most the scariest thing one could ever you know imagine maybe sort of worse than anything we can ever because it would be someone else's emotional world and that is I I think that our emotional worlds

[00:48:52] I mean being tailored by ourselves to ourselves and our own universes would be like this horror horrific experience whether or not it's a positive emotional world that we're entering I don't think that we feel the same way in a subjective point of view I think we can all relate to each other and I think that

[00:49:22] we're almost identical seen from the outside but if I were to enter your universe I would be totally lost because imagine all the scenery you've created you've built within yourself over your lifetime imagine all the nooks and crannies imagine all the weathers all the hiding places all the open

[00:49:51] fields all the joys and all the despairs and all the methods and weapons and stories that you've developed to tackle and to maneuver to move around in your world in your universe it would be like being in a foreign country which you've never experienced but more you

[00:50:22] wouldn't even know what was up and what was down really I think still we can talk about our feelings and we can relate isn't that amazing sleepy isn't that amazing that we can although our own individual universes are so vast and differ so much from each other objectively

[00:50:52] we're the same so I don't think that if I were to enter your mind I well that's not possible but if I or if you were to be able to enter someone else's mind then I don't think that you would feel oh it's just the same you know same same hunger despair thirst lust

[00:51:21] longing you know anger uncomfortable feelings and comfortable feelings well maybe you could perhaps tell the difference between uncomfortable and comfortable yeah I'm willing to go that far but other than that I think that every type of emotion and how you would interpret them would be like this foreign language

[00:51:50] but still from the outside we're the same I really think this is a strange mystery the fact that we are so different from each other but still we're like almost identically created created I don't know I'm not religious

[00:52:20] in any particular way I was brought up a catholic and that was because my parents converted into catholicism when I was 10 years old and so I was brought up in the church and I think that gave me some important tools to maneuver throughout the world especially throughout you know mystery and

[00:52:49] and maybe like ceremony I have this deep respect for ceremonies ceremonial behavior in a way and I know it you know I can relate to ceremonies being a part of human psychology and I really love that I really love it's almost like acting in a way and acting

[00:53:19] is not just this entertainment business thing I think it's I mean there are far more important professions in the world but actors or performers people that use their own bodies and voices and languages and intelligence to create other worlds are important people and I don't know why I fell down that rabbit hole

[00:53:49] I have so much to say about acting not all good things I think we in contrast to what I just said I think that actors tend to look at themselves far too regarding themselves as far too important myself included so I need to watch out with what I'm saying but I think I will stand by my statement that performing

[00:54:18] arts is an important part of human psychology so ceremonies are a part of that I guess you don't need to be an actor to act actor really means just being someone who does stuff you know I act I'm an actor in

[00:55:44] I mean, as are we all. Imagine the time that has passed and will pass without us. And I'm not saying this to scare you. I'm not saying this to shake you, you know. Sometimes I get the question, why do you keep returning to these existential difficult subjects? Talking points?

[00:56:13] Because you're supposed to put people to sleep, not make them upset. And believe me, I'm not trying to upset you. It's just that these thoughts are there, whether you like it or not. Maybe not this particular thought, but other thoughts that keep you up at night.

[00:56:35] And isn't the real way to deal with fighting emotion is not to fight it, but to just face it. It's there, you know. And that hasn't anything to do with me, me talking about it.

[00:57:00] Maybe some particular thought is new to you at this very moment. But if you were all la-di-da and fluffy valleys, you wouldn't listen to me. So why should I pretend like everything is fine? Fine. When fine is not even a thing in the universe.

[00:57:29] There's nothing in the book of the world, whatever that book is, that tells you that there are states in the universe that are fine. And there are other states that are un-fine. There are no states of mind. There are no states of concept, if that is even a word.

[00:57:57] So fine is just a subjective thing that living beings tend to use to avoid harm, you know. And of course, that's a good thing. We shouldn't be harmed. And we shouldn't harm. But that's all there is, really. There is no fine.

[00:58:24] There is no un-fine, either, from a cosmic point of view. Yeah, now I'm lecturing. I'm sorry, Sleepy. I don't mean to lecture and believe me when I say that I hold you in the deepest regard.

[00:58:51] When I say that you probably know more about a lot of what I'm talking about than I do. And I don't have an agenda to just rattle the cage, you know. To create storms. Quite the opposite.

[00:59:16] I want you to accept the fact that life is a messy place. And it is what it is. What happens, happens. And right now, you can't do anything about it. Because if you could, you would. Wouldn't you?

[00:59:37] If there were a clear way for you to do something about whatever is keeping you up, whatever is worrying you, you would. Wouldn't you? If the solution was right there, you would just solve your problem. But for some reason, you cannot. And therefore, it is not easy.

[01:00:07] I'm strongly against discussions of any sort that claim that stuff is really easy. Just do it. Because if it were easy, you would do it. That's how we were built, isn't it? We do the easy stuff. So for some reason, objectively difficult or not, for you it's hard.

[01:00:36] And that shouldn't be frowned upon. You're amazing. And as soon as it gets easy, you will do it. And right now, it's not easy. It's not easy right now. And that's okay. Okay, my time for this episode is up. Talk to you again next week. Bye-bye, sleepy.

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